VOTE: Should more be done to encourage marriage?
MARRIAGE rates have fallen to the lowest level since records began.
Policies that "penalise families" came under fire in the wake of provisional figures for 2006 which reveal the number of marriages fell four per cent to 236,980 compared to the previous year.
The figures published by the Office for National Statistics show the marriage rate for men over 16 was 22.8 per 1,000, and for women 20.5,the lowest rate since 1862.
The decrease in the number of marriages has been partly put down to a change in the law in February, 2005, designed to crack down on "sham" marriages carried out for purposes such as securing a visa.
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But Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "This is a sad indictment of the Government's policies which have penalised families and fuelled family breakdown. Stable families are the best formula for bringing up children and preventing delinquency, anti-social behaviour and crime, so a failed family policy is itself a major cause of crime."
Mr Davis' criticisms of the marriage statistics were echoed by Jill Kirby, director of centre-right think tank The Centre for Policy Studies. She said: "It's obviously worrying that they have reached such a low ebb but perhaps not surprising in view of the lack of Government policy over the last 10 years encouraging marriage."
A spokesman for the Department for Children, Schools and Families said: "This Government supports marriage as it is a sound foundation for raising children. But we want to support all children and families, whether or not their parents are married."
8:45am Thursday 27th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: farnell, Bolton on 8:58am Thu 27 Mar 08
I got married on Easter Saturday - we were not bothered about any incentives, we just wanted to show everyone how committed we were after 4 years together and have a big party!! It was a brilliant day. I think its up to the individuals, alot of my friends are not married - why should they feel pressure to get married if they are happy as they are?
I got married on Easter Saturday - we were not bothered about any incentives, we just wanted to show everyone how committed we were after 4 years together and have a big party!! It was a brilliant day. I think its up to the individuals, alot of my friends are not married - why should they feel pressure to get married if they are happy as they are?
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 9:00am Thu 27 Mar 08
As long as its to a human being yes.
As long as its to a human being yes.
Posted by: Le Roi on 9:17am Thu 27 Mar 08
Another potentially interesting topic polluted by your inanities.
Another potentially interesting topic polluted by your inanities.
Posted by: Be Serious, Kearsley on 9:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
Unmarried mothers that can't support their own kids is the real problem. Stop giving them council houses and other benefits then they will have to stay at home living with their parent(s).
The problem will soon go away.
Unmarried mothers that can't support their own kids is the real problem. Stop giving them council houses and other benefits then they will have to stay at home living with their parent(s).
The problem will soon go away.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 9:45am Thu 27 Mar 08
There seems to be a problem when living in Holland. It would appear you stay single and masquerade as a fool.
There seems to be a problem when living in Holland. It would appear you stay single and masquerade as a fool.
Posted by: gg, leeds on 9:48am Thu 27 Mar 08
Marriage is an outdated institution and should be discouraged.
Marriage is an outdated institution and should be discouraged.
Posted by: emma, bolton on 9:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Be Serious[/bold] wrote:
Unmarried mothers that can't support their own kids is the real problem. Stop giving them council houses and other benefits then they will have to stay at home living with their parent(s). The problem will soon go away.[/quote] And what if theyve no parents?
Be Serious wrote:
Unmarried mothers that can't support their own kids is the real problem. Stop giving them council houses and other benefits then they will have to stay at home living with their parent(s). The problem will soon go away.
And what if theyve no parents?
Posted by: All Dread, BX on 9:55am Thu 27 Mar 08
I've done it twice..waste of money, first one, came home from work, she'd done a runner to spain. second was after a quick trawl through my black book.
I've done it twice..waste of money, first one, came home from work, she'd done a runner to spain. second was after a quick trawl through my black book.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 9:57am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
As long as its to a human being yes.
[/quote] Morning Andrew.
I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences.
You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.
RockyRereturns wrote:
As long as its to a human being yes.
Morning Andrew.
I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences.
You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 9:59am Thu 27 Mar 08
Andrew, look what Ive found!!!
From the man himself.
Funny guy that Upton.....
My fiancé, upon getting engaged, went to her mother and said, "I've found a man just like father!" Her mother replied, "So what do you want from me, sympathy?"
You have two choices in life: you can stay single and be miserable, or get married and wish you were dead.
So I choose to get married to my beautiful wife 15 years ago. We now share everything, I even showed her how to drive although kept complaining that the car wouldn’t start in the bottom of the lake.
We eat out at least twice a week. She goes Tuesdays I go Thursdays.
Getting married is very much like going to a restaurant with friends. You order what you want, then when you see what the other person has, you wish you had ordered that.
I said to my wife, "You know, I was a fool when I married you." She replied, "Yes dear, but I was in love and didn't notice."
She then placed an 'ad' in the classifieds: "Husband wanted". Next day she received a hundred letters. They all said the same thing: "You can have mine."
After all that we had a son he grew up fast and started asking those awkward questions, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?" so I replied, "I don't know son, I'm still paying."
I never knew what real happiness was until I got married; by then it was too late.
Just think, if it weren't for marriage, men would go through life thinking they had no faults at all.
I learned quickly in that if you want your spouse to listen and pay strict attention to every word you say, talk in your sleep.
My wife is always claiming equality I say women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are beautiful.
She told me I should be more affectionate but complained when I got two girlfriends.
Marriage is still the most expensive way to way to get your washing, cooking ironing and cleaning done for free.
Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. A second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
Alas man is incomplete until he is married. Then he is finished.
Source
http://tinyurl.com/2
cmeb2
Andrew, look what Ive found!!!
From the man himself.
Funny guy that Upton.....
My fiancé, upon getting engaged, went to her mother and said, "I've found a man just like father!" Her mother replied, "So what do you want from me, sympathy?"
You have two choices in life: you can stay single and be miserable, or get married and wish you were dead.
So I choose to get married to my beautiful wife 15 years ago. We now share everything, I even showed her how to drive although kept complaining that the car wouldn’t start in the bottom of the lake.
We eat out at least twice a week. She goes Tuesdays I go Thursdays.
Getting married is very much like going to a restaurant with friends. You order what you want, then when you see what the other person has, you wish you had ordered that.
I said to my wife, "You know, I was a fool when I married you." She replied, "Yes dear, but I was in love and didn't notice."
She then placed an 'ad' in the classifieds: "Husband wanted". Next day she received a hundred letters. They all said the same thing: "You can have mine."
After all that we had a son he grew up fast and started asking those awkward questions, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?" so I replied, "I don't know son, I'm still paying."
I never knew what real happiness was until I got married; by then it was too late.
Just think, if it weren't for marriage, men would go through life thinking they had no faults at all.
I learned quickly in that if you want your spouse to listen and pay strict attention to every word you say, talk in your sleep.
My wife is always claiming equality I say women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are beautiful.
She told me I should be more affectionate but complained when I got two girlfriends.
Marriage is still the most expensive way to way to get your washing, cooking ironing and cleaning done for free.
Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. A second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
Alas man is incomplete until he is married. Then he is finished.
Source
http://tinyurl.com/2
cmeb2
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:01am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]All Dread[/bold] wrote:
I've done it twice..waste of money, first one, came home from work, she'd done a runner to spain. second was after a quick trawl through my black book.[/quote] That must have been terrible.
All Dread wrote:
I've done it twice..waste of money, first one, came home from work, she'd done a runner to spain. second was after a quick trawl through my black book.
That must have been terrible.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
Erica, Bury,
I watched something last night that made me squirm. Genuine asylum seekers to be sent back home to that butcher Mugabe. Now these people are in danger. Why are they being sent back, simple, money. As long as migrants flood in and do jobs for next to nothing then fine thinks Bottler. But this appalling govt will be sending back people in REAL danger. Bottler Brown and Labour a DISGRACE.
Erica, Bury,
I watched something last night that made me squirm. Genuine asylum seekers to be sent back home to that butcher Mugabe. Now these people are in danger. Why are they being sent back, simple, money. As long as migrants flood in and do jobs for next to nothing then fine thinks Bottler. But this appalling govt will be sending back people in REAL danger. Bottler Brown and Labour a DISGRACE.
Posted by: All Dread, BX on 10:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
It was and so embarrassing I mean me, looked after myself, had my hair done everyweek, built a gym in the garage and left me!!! me, mr. wondeful for a spanish goat herder.thank god the second was desperate, had her own bizness and money.
It was and so embarrassing I mean me, looked after myself, had my hair done everyweek, built a gym in the garage and left me!!! me, mr. wondeful for a spanish goat herder.thank god the second was desperate, had her own bizness and money.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote: As long as its to a human being yes. [/quote] Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.[/quote] Ian,
Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?
RockyRereturns wrote:
RockyRereturns wrote: As long as its to a human being yes.
Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.
Ian,
Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
heather mills just got a 24 million payout and now they want to encourage marriage....er, no thanks.
heather mills just got a 24 million payout and now they want to encourage marriage....er, no thanks.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:10am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Erica, Bury, I watched something last night that made me squirm. Genuine asylum seekers to be sent back home to that butcher Mugabe. Now these people are in danger. Why are they being sent back, simple, money. As long as migrants flood in and do jobs for next to nothing then fine thinks Bottler. But this appalling govt will be sending back people in REAL danger. Bottler Brown and Labour a DISGRACE. [/quote] Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.
Now, marriage. Not relevant to many these days. Relationship stability and happines are surely far more important than a ceremony, bit of paper and tax code?
BORISIMO wrote:
Erica, Bury, I watched something last night that made me squirm. Genuine asylum seekers to be sent back home to that butcher Mugabe. Now these people are in danger. Why are they being sent back, simple, money. As long as migrants flood in and do jobs for next to nothing then fine thinks Bottler. But this appalling govt will be sending back people in REAL danger. Bottler Brown and Labour a DISGRACE.
Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.
Now, marriage. Not relevant to many these days. Relationship stability and happines are surely far more important than a ceremony, bit of paper and tax code?
Posted by: All Dread on 10:10am Thu 27 Mar 08
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:11am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]All Dread[/bold] wrote:
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.[/quote] Didn't know it dealt with that.
All Dread wrote:
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.
Didn't know it dealt with that.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:11am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]All Dread[/bold] wrote:
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.[/quote] Another big and clever post. [bold]GROW UP[/bold] .
All Dread wrote:
Will Andrew Bury be watching Panarama tonight.its about his fav subject.
Another big and clever post.
GROW UP .
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:12am Thu 27 Mar 08
Decent families who bring up decent children, need to be founded by two decent people.
It's our decadent society which is turning decent people bad and offering no encouragement for scums to change their ways.
Money driven celebrity is the problem. Talentless people are made rich and turned into celebrity by others who get rich pickings from the ride.
The example given is reward stems from apalling, immoral behaviour and complete lack a of values.
How can marriage, built on trust and honesty survive such an onslaught?
Government/oppostion solution - [italic]bribe[/italic] them to stay together.
Decent families who bring up decent children, need to be founded by two decent people.
It's our decadent society which is turning decent people bad and offering no encouragement for scums to change their ways.
Money driven celebrity is the problem. Talentless people are made rich and turned into celebrity by others who get rich pickings from the ride.
The example given is reward stems from apalling, immoral behaviour and complete lack a of values.
How can marriage, built on trust and honesty survive such an onslaught?
Government/oppostion solution -
bribe them to stay together.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:14am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.[/quote]
Andrew just accept Bottler and his cohorts are living off the fat of the land, and don't give a **** about peoples lives. You've been taken in old boy.
Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.
Andrew just accept Bottler and his cohorts are living off the fat of the land, and don't give a **** about peoples lives. You've been taken in old boy.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:14am Thu 27 Mar 08
I know plenty of good single parents and plenty of poor dual parents.
I know plenty of good single parents and plenty of poor dual parents.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:15am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.[/quote] Andrew just accept Bottler and his cohorts are living off the fat of the land, and don't give a **** about peoples lives. You've been taken in old boy.[/quote] You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries.
BORISIMO wrote:
Not relevant but our treatment of asylum seekers, not just Zimbabweans has been sometimes shameful - such as the dying Nigerian.
Andrew just accept Bottler and his cohorts are living off the fat of the land, and don't give a **** about peoples lives. You've been taken in old boy.
You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries.
Posted by: All Dread on 10:16am Thu 27 Mar 08
i know you do.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:16am Thu 27 Mar 08
Sun
China's migrant problem will fuel the world slump. They are now getting rights, no more £2 shirts in Tesco's.
Sun
China's migrant problem will fuel the world slump. They are now getting rights, no more £2 shirts in Tesco's.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:17am Thu 27 Mar 08
Topic?
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:18am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries.[/quote]
??
Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries.
??
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:19am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Government/oppostion solution - bribe them to stay together.[/quote]
True.
Government/oppostion solution - bribe them to stay together.
True.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:20am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote: As long as its to a human being yes. [/quote] Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.[/quote] Ian,
Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?[/quote] [bold][quote]A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.
The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.
They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.
"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.
Mr Alifi, of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat.
"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up."
Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.
"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.[/quote]
[/bold]
Source
http://tinyurl.com/k
25xc
Strange because the story of the man forced to Marry a Goat after being found in a compromising position with it came from your fave website
THE BBC.
here go read yourself.
Don't confuse it with the BNP Leroy it's completely different!!
Andrew wrote:
RockyRereturns wrote:
RockyRereturns wrote: As long as its to a human being yes.
Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.
Ian,
Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.
The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.
They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.
"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.
Mr Alifi, of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat.
"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up."
Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.
"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.
Source
http://tinyurl.com/k
25xc
Strange because the story of the man forced to Marry a Goat after being found in a compromising position with it came from your fave website
THE BBC.
here go read yourself.
Don't confuse it with the BNP Leroy it's completely different!!
Posted by: Le Roi on 10:21am Thu 27 Mar 08
Freudian slip from Rocky above to confirm that he is Ian Upton.
Freudian slip from Rocky above to confirm that he is Ian Upton.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:21am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Sun
China's migrant problem will fuel the world slump. They are now getting rights, no more £2 shirts in Tesco's.[/quote] The sweatshops will just move on to other poorer countries. Globalisation is the new slavery.
BORISIMO wrote:
Sun
China's migrant problem will fuel the world slump. They are now getting rights, no more £2 shirts in Tesco's.
The sweatshops will just move on to other poorer countries. Globalisation is the new slavery.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:22am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]All Dread[/bold] wrote:
It was and so embarrassing I mean me, looked after myself, had my hair done everyweek, built a gym in the garage and left me!!! me, mr. wondeful for a spanish goat herder.thank god the second was desperate, had her own bizness and money.[/quote] I thought he was sudanese?
That's racist...
All Dread wrote:
It was and so embarrassing I mean me, looked after myself, had my hair done everyweek, built a gym in the garage and left me!!! me, mr. wondeful for a spanish goat herder.thank god the second was desperate, had her own bizness and money.
I thought he was sudanese?
That's racist...
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:22am Thu 27 Mar 08
andrew says
[quote]You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries[/quote]
Andrew says
[quote]Topic?[/quote]
Andrew...topic?
andrew says
You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries
Andrew says
Topic?
Andrew...topic?
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:25am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi[/bold] wrote:
Freudian slip from Rocky above to confirm that he is Ian Upton.[/quote] You got Ian Upton on your brain Leroy.
Do you fantasise about him at night or something?
From what I heard he's spoken for.
Le Roi wrote:
Freudian slip from Rocky above to confirm that he is Ian Upton.
You got Ian Upton on your brain Leroy.
Do you fantasise about him at night or something?
From what I heard he's spoken for.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:27am Thu 27 Mar 08
Streriods wont make it feel any better Leroy.
Streriods wont make it feel any better Leroy.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:27am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote: As long as its to a human being yes. [/quote] Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.[/quote] Ian, Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?[/quote] [bold][quote]A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal. The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders. They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi. "We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said. Mr Alifi, of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat. "When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up." Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case. "They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.[/quote] [/bold] Source http://tinyurl.com/k 25xc Strange because the story of the man forced to Marry a Goat after being found in a compromising position with it came from your fave website THE BBC. here go read yourself. Don't confuse it with the BNP Leroy it's completely different!! [/quote] I know the story Ian. Like I say these Christian elders injecting humour into judgements. Wacky huh?
RockyRereturns wrote:
Andrew wrote: RockyRereturns wrote: RockyRereturns wrote: As long as its to a human being yes.
Morning Andrew. I'm merely pointing out the differences in your cultural experiences. You know full well it is legal in Sudan to marry a goat.
Ian, Much as it may surprise you I am not Le Roi. You meanwhile are a fully certified BNP supporter who knows little of Sudan I'm guessing. Those darn Christian elders and their funny ways eh mate?
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal. The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders. They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi. "We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said. Mr Alifi, of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat. "When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up." Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case. "They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.
Source http://tinyurl.com/k 25xc Strange because the story of the man forced to Marry a Goat after being found in a compromising position with it came from your fave website THE BBC. here go read yourself. Don't confuse it with the BNP Leroy it's completely different!!
I know the story Ian. Like I say these Christian elders injecting humour into judgements. Wacky huh?
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:28am Thu 27 Mar 08
Leroy does you woman like a hot toddy of an evening?
Leroy does you woman like a hot toddy of an evening?
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:29am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
andrew says [quote]You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries[/quote] Andrew says [quote]Topic?[/quote] Andrew...topic? [/quote] Was responding mate. Wasn't me that went off on a tangent. A tangent which Boris and co. like to veer off to as quickly as possible being the one trick ponies they are.
I'm more than happy to stay on topic but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
andrew says You're babbling. For the record I am not a New Labour supporter. Funny how you seem to view Zimbabwean asylum seekers as different to those from other countries
Andrew says Topic?
Andrew...topic?
Was responding mate. Wasn't me that went off on a tangent. A tangent which Boris and co. like to veer off to as quickly as possible being the one trick ponies they are.
I'm more than happy to stay on topic but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:30am Thu 27 Mar 08
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
Posted by: Le Roi on 10:31am Thu 27 Mar 08
No idea about women, I am gay.
No idea about women, I am gay.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:31am Thu 27 Mar 08
Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:32am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?[/quote] His ring wasn't big enough.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
His ring wasn't big enough.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:32am Thu 27 Mar 08
Erica and Andrew
If Rocky is this Upton guy, what's the problem??
He's not wanted for murder is he??
It's like the Fugitive on here.
Erica and Andrew
If Rocky is this Upton guy, what's the problem??
He's not wanted for murder is he??
It's like the Fugitive on here.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:32am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?[/quote] because it's funny.
andrew, I don't mind people or yourself wandering off topic, it is kind of expected but just don't pull people up on it when you do it yourself.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
because it's funny.
andrew, I don't mind people or yourself wandering off topic, it is kind of expected but just don't pull people up on it when you do it yourself.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:33am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Andrew wrote:
Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?[/quote] because it's funny. andrew, I don't mind people or yourself wandering off topic, it is kind of expected but just don't pull people up on it when you do it yourself.[/quote] As I said Gazz, I don't take things off topic but may respond when others do as they tirelessly, slavishly promote their nasty little agenda.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote: Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
because it's funny. andrew, I don't mind people or yourself wandering off topic, it is kind of expected but just don't pull people up on it when you do it yourself.
As I said Gazz, I don't take things off topic but may respond when others do as they tirelessly, slavishly promote their nasty little agenda.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?[/quote] His ring wasn't big enough. [/quote] not what i've heard
RockyRereturns wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote: Rocky, King Pric - Why don't you two guys just get married then you can continue your lovers tiff in private?
His ring wasn't big enough.
not what i've heard
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:35am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:35am Thu 27 Mar 08
Andrew wrote
[quote]but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.[/quote]
So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??
Andrew wrote
but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:37am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Erica and Andrew
If Rocky is this Upton guy, what's the problem??
He's not wanted for murder is he??
It's like the Fugitive on here.[/quote] Boris,
I've checked this guy out ..
Sounds a top lad to me.
BORISIMO wrote:
Erica and Andrew
If Rocky is this Upton guy, what's the problem??
He's not wanted for murder is he??
It's like the Fugitive on here.
Boris,
I've checked this guy out ..
Sounds a top lad to me.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:39am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi[/bold] wrote:
No idea about women, I am gay.[/quote] Really?
Does your wife know?
Le Roi wrote:
No idea about women, I am gay.
Really?
Does your wife know?
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:39am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.[/quote] There's a difference.
Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain.
I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.
Andrew wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
There's a difference.
Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain.
I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:40am Thu 27 Mar 08
Is marriage in this country not a christian tradition and as religion is slowly fading out with the younger couples then so will marriage, just a thought
Is marriage in this country not a christian tradition and as religion is slowly fading out with the younger couples then so will marriage, just a thought
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:40am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.[/quote] Says the cliquemiester himself.
"Your turn leroi"! Are you his boyfriend then?
Andrew wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
Says the cliquemiester himself.
"Your turn leroi"! Are you his boyfriend then?
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:42am Thu 27 Mar 08
Also, isn't getting married the 2nd most expensive thing to do after getting a house?
Also, isn't getting married the 2nd most expensive thing to do after getting a house?
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
Boris - Our asylum system is failing [italic]real[/italic] asylum seekers, because it has been allowed to be undermined by economic migrants, supported by self interested do-gooders such as Andrew.
Boris - Our asylum system is failing
real asylum seekers, because it has been allowed to be undermined by economic migrants, supported by self interested do-gooders such as Andrew.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.
Posted by: RockyRereturns, Bicester on 10:46am Thu 27 Mar 08
Leroy you're a media wannabe maybe you and Andrew should go on wifeswap.
It would make great television.
Leroy you're a media wannabe maybe you and Andrew should go on wifeswap.
It would make great television.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:48am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Andrew wrote [quote]but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.[/quote] So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??[/quote] No, certainly not. You seem selective though.
Anyway.....
BORISIMO wrote:
Andrew wrote but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??
No, certainly not. You seem selective though.
Anyway.....
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:49am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.[/quote] He finds it uncomfortable to consider the fact, that it is his support of economic migration, which is now putting genuine asylum seekers at risk.
Like many of his kind he can't see the burst balloon until it goes bang.
BORISIMO wrote:
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.
He finds it uncomfortable to consider the fact, that it is his support of economic migration, which is now putting genuine asylum seekers at risk.
Like many of his kind he can't see the burst balloon until it goes bang.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:50am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.[/quote] There's a difference. Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain. I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.[/quote] Ah, you mean you don't like your attempts to peddlke race hate to be curtailed. Never mind.
Strange though that you've been as guilty as the other numpties in posting puerlie comments over the past few weeks. I've been pointing out how irritating and childish this is for some time. Good to see you repenting now though.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
There's a difference. Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain. I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.
Ah, you mean you don't like your attempts to peddlke race hate to be curtailed. Never mind.
Strange though that you've been as guilty as the other numpties in posting puerlie comments over the past few weeks. I've been pointing out how irritating and childish this is for some time. Good to see you repenting now though.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:51am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Andrew wrote [quote]but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.[/quote] So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??[/quote] No, certainly not. You seem selective though.
Anyway.....[/quote] You have blood on your hands Andrew. You have encouraged the abuse of the asylum system.
Andrew wrote:
BORISIMO wrote:
Andrew wrote but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??
No, certainly not. You seem selective though.
Anyway.....
You have blood on your hands Andrew. You have encouraged the abuse of the asylum system.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
Is marriage in this country not a christian tradition and as religion is slowly fading out with the younger couples then so will marriage, just a thought[/quote] Not really a specifically Christian tradition is it. Besides most people do not and have not married for religous reasons for some time.
Times have changed. People tend to co-habit before getting married and may simply find there's little difference between co-habiting and being married apart from a party, piece of paper and tax code.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
Is marriage in this country not a christian tradition and as religion is slowly fading out with the younger couples then so will marriage, just a thought
Not really a specifically Christian tradition is it. Besides most people do not and have not married for religous reasons for some time.
Times have changed. People tend to co-habit before getting married and may simply find there's little difference between co-habiting and being married apart from a party, piece of paper and tax code.
Posted by: All Dread on 10:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
Andrew, did you ever forgive your missus for running off and the other making you an ineffective man, being a house husband, washing, hoovering, seeing to the dog.
Andrew, did you ever forgive your missus for running off and the other making you an ineffective man, being a house husband, washing, hoovering, seeing to the dog.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:53am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]RockyRereturns[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.[/quote] Says the cliquemiester himself. "Your turn leroi"! Are you his boyfriend then?[/quote] Go on Sun. Tell him.
GROW UPTON.
RockyRereturns wrote:
Andrew wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
Says the cliquemiester himself. "Your turn leroi"! Are you his boyfriend then?
Go on Sun. Tell him.
GROW UPTON.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:54am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.[/quote] I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.[/quote] Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.[/quote] There's a difference. Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain. I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.[/quote] Ah, you mean you don't like your attempts to peddlke race hate to be curtailed. Never mind.
Strange though that you've been as guilty as the other numpties in posting puerlie comments over the past few weeks. I've been pointing out how irritating and childish this is for some time. Good to see you repenting now though.[/quote] That was banter not name calling. You need to develop a sense of humour Andrew, then maybe you will be able to distinguish between the two.
Andrew wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: Andrew wrote: Annoying isn't it when threads get disrupted Sun.
I don't mind a bit of drift or banter, but "My dicks bigger than yours" gets boring after a few weeks.
Indeed. As does all the homophobia and persistent attempts to turn every thread toward the pet topic of the clique.
There's a difference. Some topics, we are never allowed to debate because others don't want the subject debated and complain. I suspect you secretly like and even encourage the petty name calling because it stiffles the debates you would rather not hear.
Ah, you mean you don't like your attempts to peddlke race hate to be curtailed. Never mind.
Strange though that you've been as guilty as the other numpties in posting puerlie comments over the past few weeks. I've been pointing out how irritating and childish this is for some time. Good to see you repenting now though.
That was banter not name calling. You need to develop a sense of humour Andrew, then maybe you will be able to distinguish between the two.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:54am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote: Andrew wrote [quote]but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.[/quote] So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??[/quote] No, certainly not. You seem selective though. Anyway.....[/quote] You have blood on your hands Andrew. You have encouraged the abuse of the asylum system.[/quote] Talking balls Sun. Off topic balls as usual.
Boris, I unreservedly condemn this Goivernment for returning asylum seekers to face danger, torture or death. Knee jerk reaction to Daily Mail editorials I guess.
Now then, this marriage thing.....
Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew wrote: BORISIMO wrote: Andrew wrote but whilst others promote their own narrow, prejudiced little agendas I shall counter.
So I am wrong to say these people will be sent back to Mugabe??
No, certainly not. You seem selective though. Anyway.....
You have blood on your hands Andrew. You have encouraged the abuse of the asylum system.
Talking balls Sun. Off topic balls as usual.
Boris, I unreservedly condemn this Goivernment for returning asylum seekers to face danger, torture or death. Knee jerk reaction to Daily Mail editorials I guess.
Now then, this marriage thing.....
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:56am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.[/quote] Still waiting.
BORISIMO wrote:
Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.
Still waiting.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:57am Thu 27 Mar 08
Andrew - How do you sleep at night, knowing that your ill-considered plans to flood this country with immigrants, are the cause of people being sentenced to death?
Andrew - How do you sleep at night, knowing that your ill-considered plans to flood this country with immigrants, are the cause of people being sentenced to death?
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 10:58am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BORISIMO[/bold] wrote: Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.[/quote] Still waiting.[/quote] Can you not read? Post above yours is pretty unequivocal.
BORISIMO wrote:
BORISIMO wrote: Interesting how Andrew hasn't poured scorn on Labour for sending people to their deaths.
Still waiting.
Can you not read? Post above yours is pretty unequivocal.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 10:59am Thu 27 Mar 08
Sun
Erica is keeping well away, he's Labour through and through.
Sun
Erica is keeping well away, he's Labour through and through.
Posted by: player #1, Half the world away on 10:59am Thu 27 Mar 08
Marriage (or at least long term partnerships)should be encouraged. a stable family life is essential for young people to get a balanced view of right and wrong, and to see how adults should treat each other.
lots of couples fail at this though, and lots of single parents are excellent, but in general, i see the children from a stable two parent family do better in school, socially and in life.
the trouble is, in my experience, i am now worse off by £200 per month because my partner is working full time instead of part time. we don't get support with child care, or tax credits. yet someone not working as much as we are could end up with more money than us every month. not much of an incentive.
This leaks over to the couple vs single debate too. a single mother claiming working tax credits can get £180 per week, plus CSA maintenance up to £300 per month as well as a wage up to 16000 per year. Dad then has to pay a third of his wage in maintenance, as his ex partner is not considered when calculating the amount needed. Ie - dad pays total cost of living for child, mum pays 0%. Yet dad isn't entitled to tax credits as he isn't living with the child. it is a complete farce.
Tax credits are supposed to support families who have to pay for children, yet a non resident father (or mother) who has to contribute the total amount for their child isnt entitled!
the system needs changing, now, to support the people who support themselves. dishing out handouts to people not willing to work, support theirselves or their families or provide theri own home are damaging society on a whole new level. the extended family structure is missing, and it needs to be promoted, to save money for the country, and redirect support to parents who are willing to try!
Marriage (or at least long term partnerships)should be encouraged. a stable family life is essential for young people to get a balanced view of right and wrong, and to see how adults should treat each other.
lots of couples fail at this though, and lots of single parents are excellent, but in general, i see the children from a stable two parent family do better in school, socially and in life.
the trouble is, in my experience, i am now worse off by £200 per month because my partner is working full time instead of part time. we don't get support with child care, or tax credits. yet someone not working as much as we are could end up with more money than us every month. not much of an incentive.
This leaks over to the couple vs single debate too. a single mother claiming working tax credits can get £180 per week, plus CSA maintenance up to £300 per month as well as a wage up to 16000 per year. Dad then has to pay a third of his wage in maintenance, as his ex partner is not considered when calculating the amount needed. Ie - dad pays total cost of living for child, mum pays 0%. Yet dad isn't entitled to tax credits as he isn't living with the child. it is a complete farce.
Tax credits are supposed to support families who have to pay for children, yet a non resident father (or mother) who has to contribute the total amount for their child isnt entitled!
the system needs changing, now, to support the people who support themselves. dishing out handouts to people not willing to work, support theirselves or their families or provide theri own home are damaging society on a whole new level. the extended family structure is missing, and it needs to be promoted, to save money for the country, and redirect support to parents who are willing to try!
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 11:02am Thu 27 Mar 08
Labour
The party of health. We will stop smoking, stop obesity, reduce alcohol consumption. Why? simple, we care. How many are we sending back??
Labour
The party of health. We will stop smoking, stop obesity, reduce alcohol consumption. Why? simple, we care. How many are we sending back??
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 11:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing....
Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children.
The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing....
Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children.
The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
Income tax should be the same for all regardless of personal circumstance.
Benefits for children should be phased out.
A more moral and responsible society should be encouraged.
Income tax should be the same for all regardless of personal circumstance.
Benefits for children should be phased out.
A more moral and responsible society should be encouraged.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 11:11am Thu 27 Mar 08
Marriage was once based on love, support, through thick and thin. Now in this media crazy world, greed has taken over. If a partner struggles move onto the next. This is about standards and morals. There are none left.
Marriage was once based on love, support, through thick and thin. Now in this media crazy world, greed has taken over. If a partner struggles move onto the next. This is about standards and morals. There are none left.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 11:11am Thu 27 Mar 08
Disagree Sun. Should be a 1p band, then basic rate, higher rate and highest rate. And clamp down on avoidance. Then we can properly fund social housing etc.
Disagree Sun. Should be a 1p band, then basic rate, higher rate and highest rate. And clamp down on avoidance. Then we can properly fund social housing etc.
Posted by: player #1, Half the world away on 11:13am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing.... Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children. The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.[/quote] i agree with the tax bit, they ask for your previous years income, but then review it after 12 months on your actual income, and then you end up having to pay back a ton of money. its a joke, and its so complicated that i have had to go to the tax office for help on more than one occasion.
i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged, the kids know, and can react. but the relationships with parents following a breakup should be positive, and where possible, jointly responsible for decisions, affection, providing etc. feelings for ex's shouldn't get in the way, (although they do, and probably always will)
i know its off topic, but this does seem to have turned into an open forum instead of a comments thread!
Andrew wrote:
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing.... Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children. The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.
i agree with the tax bit, they ask for your previous years income, but then review it after 12 months on your actual income, and then you end up having to pay back a ton of money. its a joke, and its so complicated that i have had to go to the tax office for help on more than one occasion.
i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged, the kids know, and can react. but the relationships with parents following a breakup should be positive, and where possible, jointly responsible for decisions, affection, providing etc. feelings for ex's shouldn't get in the way, (although they do, and probably always will)
i know its off topic, but this does seem to have turned into an open forum instead of a comments thread!
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 11:14am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged[/quote]
What does this mean??
i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged
What does this mean??
Posted by: Le Roi on 11:15am Thu 27 Mar 08
Andrew, I salute your ability to construct reasonable arguments despite numpties trying to change the debate to their single version view of life.
Andrew, I salute your ability to construct reasonable arguments despite numpties trying to change the debate to their single version view of life.
Posted by: BORISIMO, aka/dop/yelt/vonn/nm
e on 11:18am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi[/bold] wrote:
Andrew, I salute your ability to construct reasonable arguments despite numpties trying to change the debate to their single version view of life.[/quote] Think I will react, NO.
Le Roi wrote:
Andrew, I salute your ability to construct reasonable arguments despite numpties trying to change the debate to their single version view of life.
Think I will react, NO.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:18am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
Disagree Sun. Should be a 1p band, then basic rate, higher rate and highest rate. And clamp down on avoidance. Then we can properly fund social housing etc.[/quote] I hate to see the rich getting richer but that is a problem with our materialistic, greedy society. It can't be solved through taxation. In fact it could be argued that high taxation encourages evasion.
If we are to promote a fair society then our rules need to apply fairly to all and not be based on personal circumstances.
When we begin to place more and more emphasis on personal circumstances. We enter the field of social engineering which rather than encouraging freedoms, erodes them. As is evident in our society today.
Andrew wrote:
Disagree Sun. Should be a 1p band, then basic rate, higher rate and highest rate. And clamp down on avoidance. Then we can properly fund social housing etc.
I hate to see the rich getting richer but that is a problem with our materialistic, greedy society. It can't be solved through taxation. In fact it could be argued that high taxation encourages evasion.
If we are to promote a fair society then our rules need to apply fairly to all and not be based on personal circumstances.
When we begin to place more and more emphasis on personal circumstances. We enter the field of social engineering which rather than encouraging freedoms, erodes them. As is evident in our society today.
Posted by: Le Roi on 11:21am Thu 27 Mar 08
The most supportive family units I've witnessed first hand are those in the Asian and Jewish communities.
A lesson for many 'Christian' families.
The most supportive family units I've witnessed first hand are those in the Asian and Jewish communities.
A lesson for many 'Christian' families.
Posted by: player #1, Half the world away on 11:22am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing.... Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children. The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.[/quote] i agree with the tax bit, they ask for your previous years income, but then review it after 12 months on your actual income, and then you end up having to pay back a ton of money. its a joke, and its so complicated that i have had to go to the tax office for help on more than one occasion.
i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged, the kids know, and can react. but the relationships with parents following a breakup should be positive, and where possible, jointly responsible for decisions, affection, providing etc. feelings for ex's shouldn't get in the way, (although they do, and probably always will)
i know its off topic, but this does seem to have turned into an open forum instead of a comments thread!
Andrew wrote:
Meanwhile Bors, this marriage thing.... Player, bottom line for me is kids need a good parent or parents. If parents are in a relationship it needs to be stable and happy. Those who perpetuate unhappy relationships 'for the sake of the children' only harm those children. The benefits system in my opinion is now being used to prop up companies who do not pay living wages. Working Families Tax Credits are stupidly complicated to appky for and administer. Simplification of the tax system to benefit the lower paid and ensure the much higher paid pay their dues would be a key solution to a lot of issues.
i agree with the tax bit, they ask for your previous years income, but then review it after 12 months on your actual income, and then you end up having to pay back a ton of money. its a joke, and its so complicated that i have had to go to the tax office for help on more than one occasion.
i also agree that an unhappy relationship shouldn't be encouraged, the kids know, and can react. but the relationships with parents following a breakup should be positive, and where possible, jointly responsible for decisions, affection, providing etc. feelings for ex's shouldn't get in the way, (although they do, and probably always will)
i know its off topic, but this does seem to have turned into an open forum instead of a comments thread!
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:22am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi[/bold] wrote:
The most supportive family units I've witnessed first hand are those in the Asian and Jewish communities.
A lesson for ma
