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GARY Megson is resisting the temptation to go gung-ho as Wanderers fight for their Premiership lives.
With just one point from their last six Premiership games and, with the goals drying up, the Bolton boss is facing mounting calls from worried fans to adopt a more attacking approach in the remaining seven games.
Three scoreless performances have highlighted the poblems that have dogged Wanderers since they sold Nicolas Anelka in January and failed to recruit a proven goal scorer.
Megson himself admits that a lack of goals is jeopardising their chances of playing their way out of the bottom three. But he sees little virtue in switching from the familiar 4-5-1/4-3-3 style Wanderers have become accustomed to playing in recent years.
After Saturday's scorelsss draw with Manchester City, he was asked specifically if he would consider switching to a 4-4-2 formation, and used the "swings and roundabouts" analogy to suggest that a more adventurous approach could have serious defensive implications. More fundamentally, he implied that Wanderers' chances of salvation lay with the players rather than the formation.
"This club has played the same for a long time. There are different formations but it's always going to be with the same bodies," he said.
"We have issues if we play a certain formation. We gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts."
Megson's immediate concern is how he copes with the loss of Kevin Nolan and Ricardo Gardner, who were casualties of the City game.
Nolan will be suspended for the next two games after picking up his tenth booking of the season while Gardner will be missing for at least a month after being stretchered off with a broken rib.
Such is the gravity of the current situation with Wanderers struggling in the bottom three that Megson had already negotiated Gardner's release from Jamaica's friendly against Trinidad and Tobago in Kingston tonight.
Jamaican Football Federation president, Capt Horace Burrell, said Wanderers request, which was made last Friday, has been "very tough for us to listen to".
"After long consideration, in the interest of the player and his club and Jamaica, we decided to give him a chance to play for his club this time around.
"They say they are very close to the relegation zone and things are not looking so good," Burrell added.
9:43am Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: YouriLeGod, Bolton on 9:55am Wed 26 Mar 08
"Gary Megson is resisting the temptation to go gung-ho as Wanderers fight for their Premiership lives".
Right now I feel like Herbert Lom in that Inspector Clouseau film where he shoots his nose off. I'm starting to get a bit of a tick. LOL.
If I didn't laugh I would cry. But it isn't really that funny anymore is it?
"Gary Megson is resisting the temptation to go gung-ho as Wanderers fight for their Premiership lives".
Right now I feel like Herbert Lom in that Inspector Clouseau film where he shoots his nose off. I'm starting to get a bit of a tick. LOL.
If I didn't laugh I would cry. But it isn't really that funny anymore is it?
Posted by: Pedro, Bolton on 9:58am Wed 26 Mar 08
Oh dear, just what we did not want to hear. 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 seem to work best as far as I can see. We need GOALS and we need to WIN! Anyone know if Helgusson is injured? Nothing on BWFC or Physioroom sites except for Jussi.
Come on you Whites!!!
Oh dear, just what we did not want to hear. 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 seem to work best as far as I can see. We need GOALS and we need to WIN! Anyone know if Helgusson is injured? Nothing on BWFC or Physioroom sites except for Jussi.
Come on you Whites!!!
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:00am Wed 26 Mar 08
I would rather go down fighting than this little whimper that is happening now. At 1st I was happy with Megson, I liked how he came in and steadied the ship but now I fear the worse and his negative tactics are quickly making me lose interest.
He may not be attacking the oppositions goal but he's attacking us fans with his 0-0 draws and his 9-1 formations. At this moment I would snatch Souness' hand off if he wanted the job.
I would rather go down fighting than this little whimper that is happening now. At 1st I was happy with Megson, I liked how he came in and steadied the ship but now I fear the worse and his negative tactics are quickly making me lose interest.
He may not be attacking the oppositions goal but he's attacking us fans with his 0-0 draws and his 9-1 formations. At this moment I would snatch Souness' hand off if he wanted the job.
Posted by: eenie, Derby on 10:04am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
I would rather go down fighting than this little whimper that is happening now. At 1st I was happy with Megson, I liked how he came in and steadied the ship but now I fear the worse and his negative tactics are quickly making me lose interest.
He may not be attacking the oppositions goal but he's attacking us fans with his 0-0 draws and his 9-1 formations. At this moment I would snatch Souness' hand off if he wanted the job.[/quote] I agree there. His problem is that when we're behind he throws the centre backs upfront instead of having proper attacking options on the bench. Obviously that will change if we survive as the 7 subs rule next season may force him to have some more offensive players on there.
However I'm beginning to think that even if he saves us, he has to go because we need someone with more tactical nous. He's brought well in cahill & steinsson but it's not enough when we're not scoring goals, and as much as I want to defend him, and defending sammy lee too, we must get some end product.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
I would rather go down fighting than this little whimper that is happening now. At 1st I was happy with Megson, I liked how he came in and steadied the ship but now I fear the worse and his negative tactics are quickly making me lose interest.
He may not be attacking the oppositions goal but he's attacking us fans with his 0-0 draws and his 9-1 formations. At this moment I would snatch Souness' hand off if he wanted the job.
I agree there. His problem is that when we're behind he throws the centre backs upfront instead of having proper attacking options on the bench. Obviously that will change if we survive as the 7 subs rule next season may force him to have some more offensive players on there.
However I'm beginning to think that even if he saves us, he has to go because we need someone with more tactical nous. He's brought well in cahill & steinsson but it's not enough when we're not scoring goals, and as much as I want to defend him, and defending sammy lee too, we must get some end product.
Posted by: birch, chorley on 10:07am Wed 26 Mar 08
MEGSON IS A DISGRACE! HE HAS ALLWAYS BEEN GASH! HE WAS LIVING ON THE BACK OF 2 RESULTS! UNITED AT HOME AND MUNICH AWAY!
MEGSON IS A HUSTLER WHO HAS NO CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL, SACK HIM NOW!
MEGSON IS A DISGRACE! HE HAS ALLWAYS BEEN GASH! HE WAS LIVING ON THE BACK OF 2 RESULTS! UNITED AT HOME AND MUNICH AWAY!
MEGSON IS A HUSTLER WHO HAS NO CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL, SACK HIM NOW!
Posted by: apple on 10:12am Wed 26 Mar 08
You carry on defending Megson as it has served us well under your tenature. He tries to say that the tactics he operates are the same under Big Sam well its not as the games under Big Sam appeared at the time to be concervative well he takes it to a new level, it now feels the footie under big sam was like watching Brazil compared with the dross we now serve up.
You carry on defending Megson as it has served us well under your tenature. He tries to say that the tactics he operates are the same under Big Sam well its not as the games under Big Sam appeared at the time to be concervative well he takes it to a new level, it now feels the footie under big sam was like watching Brazil compared with the dross we now serve up.
Posted by: Marlow-white, Marlow on 10:12am Wed 26 Mar 08
[bold]"Megson himself admits that a lack of goals is jeopardising their chances of playing their way out of the bottom three".[/bold]
Bit late to finally realise that now Gary. Why of why did you and Gartside gamble with this clubs future by either not selling or replacing Nico?
I get so mad about how poorly our club is being run I wish there was something radical I could do about it. Coming on here and ranting every now and then is just a short term cure. Please someone give us hope and reasons again to be proud of supporting the Wanderers.
Trying to win games to stay up would be a good start.
"Megson himself admits that a lack of goals is jeopardising their chances of playing their way out of the bottom three".
Bit late to finally realise that now Gary. Why of why did you and Gartside gamble with this clubs future by either not selling or replacing Nico?
I get so mad about how poorly our club is being run I wish there was something radical I could do about it. Coming on here and ranting every now and then is just a short term cure. Please someone give us hope and reasons again to be proud of supporting the Wanderers.
Trying to win games to stay up would be a good start.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 10:14am Wed 26 Mar 08
Gazz, your post is almost a direct copy of comments I was making 3 months ago regarding Megson and his 9-1 formations.
Now, what was it you said should happen to me? Was it:-
1. I should be burnt at the stake
2. I should be tied to my ironing board/washing machine and never allowed on here again.
Glad youve finally seen sense.
Gazz, your post is almost a direct copy of comments I was making 3 months ago regarding Megson and his 9-1 formations.
Now, what was it you said should happen to me? Was it:-
1. I should be burnt at the stake
2. I should be tied to my ironing board/washing machine and never allowed on here again.
Glad youve finally seen sense.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:18am Wed 26 Mar 08
Julie, the difference between me and you is that I do not slag anyone off personally.
Other people also thought what I have just wrote but did it in a different approach than yourself. I have nothing against your views I just hate the way you air them by slating people personally. I know where are problems lie but to single people out individually does not help anyone.
Julie, the difference between me and you is that I do not slag anyone off personally.
Other people also thought what I have just wrote but did it in a different approach than yourself. I have nothing against your views I just hate the way you air them by slating people personally. I know where are problems lie but to single people out individually does not help anyone.
Posted by: Ben the Beast, Methil on 10:18am Wed 26 Mar 08
Well this story will put bums on seats for the final few home games! Come and watch the Wanderers go down with a whimper. Davies says 3 wins will keep us up, we'll be lucky to see three more goals!
Well this story will put bums on seats for the final few home games! Come and watch the Wanderers go down with a whimper. Davies says 3 wins will keep us up, we'll be lucky to see three more goals!
Posted by: Themojorityspeaks, Real World on 10:24am Wed 26 Mar 08
so megson has no faith in the defence
[quote]a more adventurous approach could have serious defensive implications[/quote]
Does HE not PICK the players to suite the formation HE PICKS?
[quote]he implied that Wanderers' chances of salvation lay with the players rather than the formation[/quote]
so whatever formation HE PICKS if it dont work its the players fault.
so megson has no faith in the defence
a more adventurous approach could have serious defensive implications
Does HE not PICK the players to suite the formation HE PICKS?
he implied that Wanderers' chances of salvation lay with the players rather than the formation
so whatever formation HE PICKS if it dont work its the players fault.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 10:24am Wed 26 Mar 08
Sorry, Gazz, if you get so upset by individual name calling, maybe this is not the right forum for you.
Look closely, 99.9% of comments/posts make derogatory comments about Megson/Gartside. How do you mean singling people out doesnt help? Of course it does. It was fan power which got rid of LSL and fan power which has seen Megson run out of various clubs.
Not to sure how you can make points without naming names.
Sorry, Gazz, if you get so upset by individual name calling, maybe this is not the right forum for you.
Look closely, 99.9% of comments/posts make derogatory comments about Megson/Gartside. How do you mean singling people out doesnt help? Of course it does. It was fan power which got rid of LSL and fan power which has seen Megson run out of various clubs.
Not to sure how you can make points without naming names.
Posted by: gg, leeds on 10:39am Wed 26 Mar 08
Looking forward to a wonderfully exciting end to the season.
Current tactics spot on though would play Stelios and all experienced players - Guthrie/Joey not premiership material.
Two 0-0 draws and two 1-0 wins should see us ok.Two goals in seven games should be achievable.
In any event it's all hands to the pump - not for the faint hearted (unfortunately many supporters are faint hearted)
Looking forward to a wonderfully exciting end to the season.
Current tactics spot on though would play Stelios and all experienced players - Guthrie/Joey not premiership material.
Two 0-0 draws and two 1-0 wins should see us ok.Two goals in seven games should be achievable.
In any event it's all hands to the pump - not for the faint hearted (unfortunately many supporters are faint hearted)
Posted by: Stu1, Bolton on 10:41am Wed 26 Mar 08
I am sick and tired of this NEGATIVE 2nd rate manager we have in place at the moment. His comments above arnt going to fill the stadium for the remaining game left this season. We will have Gartslime on soon moaning about the attendance of the games, but who can blame them?? People do not want to go and watch a side apparently fighting for their lives playing 1 up front!! When will this ginger pr1ck realise IT DOES NOT WORK!!!
I honestly think he needs to go, along with all the board. I hope the rumours I heard at the weekend were true, that a certain Mr Alardyce was heading a consortium to buy the club!! Megson out I say!!
I am sick and tired of this NEGATIVE 2nd rate manager we have in place at the moment. His comments above arnt going to fill the stadium for the remaining game left this season. We will have Gartslime on soon moaning about the attendance of the games, but who can blame them?? People do not want to go and watch a side apparently fighting for their lives playing 1 up front!! When will this ginger pr1ck realise IT DOES NOT WORK!!!
I honestly think he needs to go, along with all the board. I hope the rumours I heard at the weekend were true, that a certain Mr Alardyce was heading a consortium to buy the club!! Megson out I say!!
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:44am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]Look closely, 99.9% of comments/posts make derogatory comments about Megson/Gartside[/quote] Obviously this is a stat you have made up and have no facts to back this up.
[quote]Not to sure how you can make points without naming names[/quote] So you do not know how to get your point across without resorting to name calling and personal insults? This does not say much for your character Julie.
Look closely, 99.9% of comments/posts make derogatory comments about Megson/Gartside
Obviously this is a stat you have made up and have no facts to back this up.
Not to sure how you can make points without naming names
So you do not know how to get your point across without resorting to name calling and personal insults? This does not say much for your character Julie.
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 10:44am Wed 26 Mar 08
Why are you folks so surprised? Didn't you not realise that staying up would ruin the business plan!!
Tax-Dodging Eddie and Fat Phil will not get their big pay day if we stay up.
Megson is just a lame duck, he doesnt even pick the team any more!!
[bold]GARTSIDE OUT
MEGSON OUT
BOLTON NEWS DO SOME PROPER JOURNALISM AND INVESTIGATION OF THE CLUB[/bold]
Why are you folks so surprised? Didn't you not realise that staying up would ruin the business plan!!
Tax-Dodging Eddie and Fat Phil will not get their big pay day if we stay up.
Megson is just a lame duck, he doesnt even pick the team any more!!
GARTSIDE OUT
MEGSON OUT
BOLTON NEWS DO SOME PROPER JOURNALISM AND INVESTIGATION OF THE CLUB Posted by: matt4763, Bolton on 10:47am Wed 26 Mar 08
"We have issues if we play a certain formation. We gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts."
Are you reading this Mr Gartside? Good to see that all the money the fans pump into the club week in, week out is funding such a tactical genius!
It's simple, we win our remaining home games, we stay in the Premier League!
How on earth are we supposed to break down the likes of Arsenal with just Davies up-front and sticking everyone else behind the ball?!
It didn't work against a poor Man City team so what hope have we got against one of the three teams competing for the title!
Panicking and changing to 4-4-2 ten minutes from the end is simply not good enough Megson!
"We have issues if we play a certain formation. We gain on the swings but lose on the roundabouts."
Are you reading this Mr Gartside? Good to see that all the money the fans pump into the club week in, week out is funding such a tactical genius!
It's simple, we win our remaining home games, we stay in the Premier League!
How on earth are we supposed to break down the likes of Arsenal with just Davies up-front and sticking everyone else behind the ball?!
It didn't work against a poor Man City team so what hope have we got against one of the three teams competing for the title!
Panicking and changing to 4-4-2 ten minutes from the end is simply not good enough Megson!
Posted by: Chris Manning, Gotham City PD on 10:48am Wed 26 Mar 08
UNBELIEVEABLE
ATTACKING IS THE ONLY WAY WE'LL STOP UP!
WHAT A MORON!
MEGSON OUT
MEGSON OUT
MEGSON OUT
UNBELIEVEABLE
ATTACKING IS THE ONLY WAY WE'LL STOP UP!
WHAT A MORON!
MEGSON OUT
MEGSON OUT
MEGSON OUT
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:49am Wed 26 Mar 08
Sorry Julie, I didn't mean name calling, didn't read it correctly. I apologise.
It's not the fact that you name names its the fact that you constantly insult them, Nolan for example, you are always calling him childish names, there's no need, ok, so his form is not so great at the moment, this doesn't make it ok for you to call him every name under the sun. This is what I don't like about you Julie. I don't mind the fact you are not happy with what is going on, its the constant barrage of abuse you give the team that gets on my t1ts.
Sorry Julie, I didn't mean name calling, didn't read it correctly. I apologise.
It's not the fact that you name names its the fact that you constantly insult them, Nolan for example, you are always calling him childish names, there's no need, ok, so his form is not so great at the moment, this doesn't make it ok for you to call him every name under the sun. This is what I don't like about you Julie. I don't mind the fact you are not happy with what is going on, its the constant barrage of abuse you give the team that gets on my t1ts.
Posted by: Themojorityspeaks, Real World on 10:51am Wed 26 Mar 08
James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated?
not a digg just a question.
would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?
James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated?
not a digg just a question.
would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?
Posted by: matt4763, Bolton on 10:53am Wed 26 Mar 08
While I'm having my rant... Is it just me or are Megson's interviews slowly starting to morph into those of LSL?
"Lots of positives to take from the game" etc etc.
I'd say that there are evidently more negatives, Gary... We're in the relegation zone and we ain't winning!
While I'm having my rant... Is it just me or are Megson's interviews slowly starting to morph into those of LSL?
"Lots of positives to take from the game" etc etc.
I'd say that there are evidently more negatives, Gary... We're in the relegation zone and we ain't winning!
Posted by: Chris Manning, Gotham City PD on 10:54am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
Sorry Julie, I didn't mean name calling, didn't read it correctly. I apologise. It's not the fact that you name names its the fact that you constantly insult them, Nolan for example, you are always calling him childish names, there's no need, ok, so his form is not so great at the moment, this doesn't make it ok for you to call him every name under the sun. This is what I don't like about you Julie. I don't mind the fact you are not happy with what is going on, its the constant barrage of abuse you give the team that gets on my t1ts. [/quote] Nolan is quite fat though.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
Sorry Julie, I didn't mean name calling, didn't read it correctly. I apologise. It's not the fact that you name names its the fact that you constantly insult them, Nolan for example, you are always calling him childish names, there's no need, ok, so his form is not so great at the moment, this doesn't make it ok for you to call him every name under the sun. This is what I don't like about you Julie. I don't mind the fact you are not happy with what is going on, its the constant barrage of abuse you give the team that gets on my t1ts.
Nolan is quite fat though.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:57am Wed 26 Mar 08
Nolan is still our top goalscorer though, and from midfield
Nolan is still our top goalscorer though, and from midfield
Posted by: Themojorityspeaks, Real World on 10:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
I think i'll go for a tour of the reebok today and when nobodys watching im going to write on the wall in the home changing room in 3ft high letters [bold]"THE BEST FORM OF DEFENCE IS ATTACK"[/bold]
I think i'll go for a tour of the reebok today and when nobodys watching im going to write on the wall in the home changing room in 3ft high letters
"THE BEST FORM OF DEFENCE IS ATTACK" Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:04am Wed 26 Mar 08
gazz, I agree with you. The one that still baffles me though is Negson. I mean, Mugson...fine, nice worldplay but Negson? In what way does changing the 'M' to an 'N' to make a non-existent word make it either insulting or even relevant?
Going back to the point though, I do agree with Megson in one respect: this is no longer about formations, it's about having 11 players willing to battle to save us from the drop. I don't see much wrong with our formations since Megson arrived but there certainly is an issue with finding eleven players prepared to run their legs raw for a full 90 minutes.
gazz, I agree with you. The one that still baffles me though is Negson. I mean, Mugson...fine, nice worldplay but Negson? In what way does changing the 'M' to an 'N' to make a non-existent word make it either insulting or even relevant?
Going back to the point though, I do agree with Megson in one respect: this is no longer about formations, it's about having 11 players willing to battle to save us from the drop. I don't see much wrong with our formations since Megson arrived but there certainly is an issue with finding eleven players prepared to run their legs raw for a full 90 minutes.
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:06am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Themojorityspeaks[/bold] wrote:
James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated? not a digg just a question. would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?[/quote] The evidence is as follows:
1) Appointment Of Gary Megson
2) Selling on Nicolas Anelka
3) Putting "on hold" contract talks with marquee players
4) Lack of clarity from Phil "I dont sack managers" Gartside
Being relegated 3rd bottom will provide more money than if we had won the UEFA Cup, Premier League, FA Cup & Carling Cup combined (or as near as it matters)
The club has been £30 million plus in debt for years and years and relegation is a why to offload big earners, pocket some cash for the directors (cannot forget about those important people) and then [italic]attempt[/italic] to get promotion on the cheap.
For thos who say "yes, well the crowds will drop and that will be less income" - the club do not need the crowds!! The money we generate is obviously welcome, but ultimately only a small %age of what TV rights brings.
Well, this is the way I see it anyway. The club have absolutely no ambition to succeed and is being run in to the ground - also known as asset stripping.
And people who think that Megson will be gone at the end of the season if we go down, dont be so niave.
(as a side note, considering the predicament we're in, I am glad to see Nicky Hunt still has had the time to splash out on a Lamborghini!! Modern football? You can keep it)
Themojorityspeaks wrote:
James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated? not a digg just a question. would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?
The evidence is as follows:
1) Appointment Of Gary Megson
2) Selling on Nicolas Anelka
3) Putting "on hold" contract talks with marquee players
4) Lack of clarity from Phil "I dont sack managers" Gartside
Being relegated 3rd bottom will provide more money than if we had won the UEFA Cup, Premier League, FA Cup & Carling Cup combined (or as near as it matters)
The club has been £30 million plus in debt for years and years and relegation is a why to offload big earners, pocket some cash for the directors (cannot forget about those important people) and then
attempt to get promotion on the cheap.
For thos who say "yes, well the crowds will drop and that will be less income" - the club do not need the crowds!! The money we generate is obviously welcome, but ultimately only a small %age of what TV rights brings.
Well, this is the way I see it anyway. The club have absolutely no ambition to succeed and is being run in to the ground - also known as asset stripping.
And people who think that Megson will be gone at the end of the season if we go down, dont be so niave.
(as a side note, considering the predicament we're in, I am glad to see Nicky Hunt still has had the time to splash out on a Lamborghini!! Modern football? You can keep it)
Posted by: barbarossa, poulton le fylde on 11:07am Wed 26 Mar 08
James:it's an interesting theory because of all the bizarre ,perverse,suicdal decisions etc.but I'm not sure it would be legal for Davies and Gartslime to walk away with anything given the club's debts.Megson actually got more money to spend in the recent window than any previous Manager,and at inflated prices.This smacked of desperation to avoid the drop to me.
James:it's an interesting theory because of all the bizarre ,perverse,suicdal decisions etc.but I'm not sure it would be legal for Davies and Gartslime to walk away with anything given the club's debts.Megson actually got more money to spend in the recent window than any previous Manager,and at inflated prices.This smacked of desperation to avoid the drop to me.
Posted by: Chris Manning, Gotham City PD on 11:08am Wed 26 Mar 08
Gartside appointed his mate Megson, so he'll not sack him.
A farce from start to finish.
Gartside appointed his mate Megson, so he'll not sack him.
A farce from start to finish.
Posted by: pablo, bolton on 11:09am Wed 26 Mar 08
Passing my house a few minutes ago - a white van with a Wanderers logo, towing a trailer with a set of goalposts and a net on it. Have we sold the goal as well as the striker? On recent results we could manage with just a goal at one end!
Passing my house a few minutes ago - a white van with a Wanderers logo, towing a trailer with a set of goalposts and a net on it. Have we sold the goal as well as the striker? On recent results we could manage with just a goal at one end!
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 11:10am Wed 26 Mar 08
Breezeblock, I'll explain it if no one else will. Neggers or Negson is a play on words, derived from negative. Hope you get it now. Dont take it so seriously, only a bit of fun. Could get worse when he's England manager- lol.
Breezeblock, I'll explain it if no one else will. Neggers or Negson is a play on words, derived from negative. Hope you get it now. Dont take it so seriously, only a bit of fun. Could get worse when he's England manager- lol.
Posted by: Themojorityspeaks, Real World on 11:11am Wed 26 Mar 08
Will we get tv money in the fizzy pop?
Will we get tv money in the fizzy pop?
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 11:11am Wed 26 Mar 08
"This club has played the same for a long time. There are different formations but it's always going to be with the same bodies," he said.
pretty much says it all,has it not dawned on you yet gary,we are playing the same boring football with the same useless bodies,there are different formations like attacking ones of which you now nowt about!!!!
honestly is he winding us up or what????????
"This club has played the same for a long time. There are different formations but it's always going to be with the same bodies," he said.
pretty much says it all,has it not dawned on you yet gary,we are playing the same boring football with the same useless bodies,there are different formations like attacking ones of which you now nowt about!!!!
honestly is he winding us up or what????????
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:11am Wed 26 Mar 08
James, I still don't see how anyone could benefit financially more from getting relegated than staying in the Premier League. You might have to elabrotae a little more.
James, I still don't see how anyone could benefit financially more from getting relegated than staying in the Premier League. You might have to elabrotae a little more.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 11:12am Wed 26 Mar 08
breezeblock, i thing Negson is used as his negative style NEGative... NEGson
breezeblock, i thing Negson is used as his negative style NEGative... NEGson
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 11:15am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Themojorityspeaks[/bold] wrote: James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated? not a digg just a question. would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?[/quote] The evidence is as follows: 1) Appointment Of Gary Megson 2) Selling on Nicolas Anelka 3) Putting "on hold" contract talks with marquee players 4) Lack of clarity from Phil "I dont sack managers" Gartside Being relegated 3rd bottom will provide more money than if we had won the UEFA Cup, Premier League, FA Cup & Carling Cup combined (or as near as it matters) The club has been £30 million plus in debt for years and years and relegation is a why to offload big earners, pocket some cash for the directors (cannot forget about those important people) and then [italic]attempt[/italic] to get promotion on the cheap. For thos who say "yes, well the crowds will drop and that will be less income" - the club do not need the crowds!! The money we generate is obviously welcome, but ultimately only a small %age of what TV rights brings. Well, this is the way I see it anyway. The club have absolutely no ambition to succeed and is being run in to the ground - also known as asset stripping. And people who think that Megson will be gone at the end of the season if we go down, dont be so niave. (as a side note, considering the predicament we're in, I am glad to see Nicky Hunt still has had the time to splash out on a Lamborghini!! Modern football? You can keep it)[/quote] i seen him yesterday in his black lamborghini
broke down outside the watergate toll on the a6 brilliant!!!!!!! laughed my socks off
James wrote:
Themojorityspeaks wrote: James- what evidence do you have that they want the club relegated? not a digg just a question. would it not be more lucrative to sell a club thats still in the prem?
The evidence is as follows: 1) Appointment Of Gary Megson 2) Selling on Nicolas Anelka 3) Putting "on hold" contract talks with marquee players 4) Lack of clarity from Phil "I dont sack managers" Gartside Being relegated 3rd bottom will provide more money than if we had won the UEFA Cup, Premier League, FA Cup & Carling Cup combined (or as near as it matters) The club has been £30 million plus in debt for years and years and relegation is a why to offload big earners, pocket some cash for the directors (cannot forget about those important people) and then attempt to get promotion on the cheap. For thos who say "yes, well the crowds will drop and that will be less income" - the club do not need the crowds!! The money we generate is obviously welcome, but ultimately only a small %age of what TV rights brings. Well, this is the way I see it anyway. The club have absolutely no ambition to succeed and is being run in to the ground - also known as asset stripping. And people who think that Megson will be gone at the end of the season if we go down, dont be so niave. (as a side note, considering the predicament we're in, I am glad to see Nicky Hunt still has had the time to splash out on a Lamborghini!! Modern football? You can keep it)
i seen him yesterday in his black lamborghini
broke down outside the watergate toll on the a6 brilliant!!!!!!! laughed my socks off
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:20am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]barbarossa[/bold] wrote:
James:it's an interesting theory because of all the bizarre ,perverse,suicdal decisions etc.but I'm not sure it would be legal for Davies and Gartslime to walk away with anything given the club's debts.Megson actually got more money to spend in the recent window than any previous Manager,and at inflated prices.This smacked of desperation to avoid the drop to me.[/quote] Regarding the legal aspect, Bolton Wanderers (or the parent company Burnden Leisure) is a PLC, therefore meaning that the personal incomes of directors, owners etc. is completely separate and if we went (for example) in to administration, would not affect them one little bit.
Regarding your comment about the transfer window, yes - prices were inflated, however that is market forces and effected everyone. In part, I believe they HAD to give Megson money to spend, especially after the sale of Anelka, Gartside was/is already under fans pressure for the appointment of Megson in the first instance so if they didnt spend money, what would have happened. Looking at the key signings - Cahill & Taylor - well, they probably thought that Taylor would bang a few in like he did for Portsmouth and our defence need shoring up, which in all fairness, Cahill has done PLUS Cahill publicy stated that he doesnt have a sell on clause, so "one for the future".
I disagree with your point (but can understand why you would think this) about signs of desperation. IF they were that bothered about staying up, they would have signed players AND kept Anelka or had a proper replacement lined up.
[bold]Yet again[/bold] Gartside LIED about Anelka, Megson was towing the company line. They should have told Anelka "stay until the end of the season, then you are free to go", but no, all the saw was a £7 million profit. I will not say more about Anelka, it's been said time and time again (though, it is sad to see him a "bit part" player at Chelsea!)
The issue really comes down to Gartside and his ego. He thought (wrongly) that Megson could do what Big Sam did, but obviously has back-fired so badly, he has no respect. Someone on this site on another post said Gartside was like Peter Risdale - lauding it when things were going well, but dissapeared when it all came crashing down. Anyway, what so I know, as I am not "people in football" but classed as a "fickle fan", I dont know anything.
barbarossa wrote:
James:it's an interesting theory because of all the bizarre ,perverse,suicdal decisions etc.but I'm not sure it would be legal for Davies and Gartslime to walk away with anything given the club's debts.Megson actually got more money to spend in the recent window than any previous Manager,and at inflated prices.This smacked of desperation to avoid the drop to me.
Regarding the legal aspect, Bolton Wanderers (or the parent company Burnden Leisure) is a PLC, therefore meaning that the personal incomes of directors, owners etc. is completely separate and if we went (for example) in to administration, would not affect them one little bit.
Regarding your comment about the transfer window, yes - prices were inflated, however that is market forces and effected everyone. In part, I believe they HAD to give Megson money to spend, especially after the sale of Anelka, Gartside was/is already under fans pressure for the appointment of Megson in the first instance so if they didnt spend money, what would have happened. Looking at the key signings - Cahill & Taylor - well, they probably thought that Taylor would bang a few in like he did for Portsmouth and our defence need shoring up, which in all fairness, Cahill has done PLUS Cahill publicy stated that he doesnt have a sell on clause, so "one for the future".
I disagree with your point (but can understand why you would think this) about signs of desperation. IF they were that bothered about staying up, they would have signed players AND kept Anelka or had a proper replacement lined up.
Yet again Gartside LIED about Anelka, Megson was towing the company line. They should have told Anelka "stay until the end of the season, then you are free to go", but no, all the saw was a £7 million profit. I will not say more about Anelka, it's been said time and time again (though, it is sad to see him a "bit part" player at Chelsea!)
The issue really comes down to Gartside and his ego. He thought (wrongly) that Megson could do what Big Sam did, but obviously has back-fired so badly, he has no respect. Someone on this site on another post said Gartside was like Peter Risdale - lauding it when things were going well, but dissapeared when it all came crashing down. Anyway, what so I know, as I am not "people in football" but classed as a "fickle fan", I dont know anything.
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:29am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
James, I still don't see how anyone could benefit financially more from getting relegated than staying in the Premier League. You might have to elabrotae a little more. [/quote] Each place is worth around £500,000, so finishing 3rd bottom, we'd be looking at getting £1.5 million + 2 years parachute money.
Finishing 1st, is therefore worth c. £10 million.
Think of the players who will leave (and also leave their Premier League wages).
As I previously mentioned, they'll asset strip, lie to people to get their season ticket money and then sell the club one week before the start of the season walking away with a massive wedge.
These people breeze are intelligent businessmen. Gartside is an accountant and Davies a millionaire. There are no flies on them, trust me!!
The point I am trying to make, is ultimately the CLUB will suffer, but THEY will not.
breezeblock wrote:
James, I still don't see how anyone could benefit financially more from getting relegated than staying in the Premier League. You might have to elabrotae a little more.
Each place is worth around £500,000, so finishing 3rd bottom, we'd be looking at getting £1.5 million + 2 years parachute money.
Finishing 1st, is therefore worth c. £10 million.
Think of the players who will leave (and also leave their Premier League wages).
As I previously mentioned, they'll asset strip, lie to people to get their season ticket money and then sell the club one week before the start of the season walking away with a massive wedge.
These people breeze are intelligent businessmen. Gartside is an accountant and Davies a millionaire. There are no flies on them, trust me!!
The point I am trying to make, is ultimately the CLUB will suffer, but THEY will not.
Posted by: Themojorityspeaks, Real World on 11:29am Wed 26 Mar 08
If someone did buy davis out does the board go too or would the board still be the same meaning the new owner would have to pay them off?
If someone did buy davis out does the board go too or would the board still be the same meaning the new owner would have to pay them off?
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:31am Wed 26 Mar 08
James, that still doesn't explain how anyone could benefit financially from getting relegated from the Premier League.
Julie, can't believe I missed that piece of cryptic wordplay. Such ingenuity!
James, that still doesn't explain how anyone could benefit financially from getting relegated from the Premier League.
Julie, can't believe I missed that piece of cryptic wordplay. Such ingenuity!
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:36am Wed 26 Mar 08
Sorry James, I posted that as you were replying.
I'm not sure I understand your figures here. So are you saying Davies could take more money from the club when we go down rather than if we stay up?
Sorry mate, we have a turnover of £50m+ in the Premier League - if we dropped down we would lose a huge chunk of that, plus other sponsorships, plus dimished ticket sales, etc.
Am I missing something here?
Sorry James, I posted that as you were replying.
I'm not sure I understand your figures here. So are you saying Davies could take more money from the club when we go down rather than if we stay up?
Sorry mate, we have a turnover of £50m+ in the Premier League - if we dropped down we would lose a huge chunk of that, plus other sponsorships, plus dimished ticket sales, etc.
Am I missing something here?
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:36am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
James, that still doesn't explain how anyone could benefit financially from getting relegated from the Premier League. Julie, can't believe I missed that piece of cryptic wordplay. Such ingenuity! [/quote] If (or when) we get relegated, we get a mega load of cash to cushion the blow. As Bolton Wanderers is part of Burnden Leisure PLC, which is effectively owned by one person, that money can be used as they see fit, pretty much behind closed doors without any kind of scrutiny from fans etc.
That is how they benefit from relegation - a massive cash windfall, which I suspect a large part of would end up in some account in the Cayman Islands.
I still believe their business plan is to milk as much as they can from relegation and asset stripping and then sell us on. They would walk away with millions. Davies can retreat to his tax haven and Gartside will have lined himself a nice little (stress-free, fan-free) earner with the FA.
breezeblock wrote:
James, that still doesn't explain how anyone could benefit financially from getting relegated from the Premier League. Julie, can't believe I missed that piece of cryptic wordplay. Such ingenuity!
If (or when) we get relegated, we get a mega load of cash to cushion the blow. As Bolton Wanderers is part of Burnden Leisure PLC, which is effectively owned by one person, that money can be used as they see fit, pretty much behind closed doors without any kind of scrutiny from fans etc.
That is how they benefit from relegation - a massive cash windfall, which I suspect a large part of would end up in some account in the Cayman Islands.
I still believe their business plan is to milk as much as they can from relegation and asset stripping and then sell us on. They would walk away with millions. Davies can retreat to his tax haven and Gartside will have lined himself a nice little (stress-free, fan-free) earner with the FA.
Posted by: Den, Leigh on 11:37am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YouriLeGod[/bold] wrote:
"Gary Megson is resisting the temptation to go gung-ho as Wanderers fight for their Premiership lives". Right now I feel like Herbert Lom in that Inspector Clouseau film where he shoots his nose off. I'm starting to get a bit of a tick. LOL. If I didn't laugh I would cry. But it isn't really that funny anymore is it?[/quote] Too right!
isn't football about winning? there are NO POINTS for taking part...its an old cliche, but the best form of defence is attack....I'm 100% convinced Gartside and co..just aint bothered! It saddens me...
YouriLeGod wrote:
"Gary Megson is resisting the temptation to go gung-ho as Wanderers fight for their Premiership lives". Right now I feel like Herbert Lom in that Inspector Clouseau film where he shoots his nose off. I'm starting to get a bit of a tick. LOL. If I didn't laugh I would cry. But it isn't really that funny anymore is it?
Too right!
isn't football about winning? there are NO POINTS for taking part...its an old cliche, but the best form of defence is attack....I'm 100% convinced Gartside and co..just aint bothered! It saddens me...
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:39am Wed 26 Mar 08
Wrothy, I've never cared for mithering about other people's money and what they have and I haven't...so can you explain to me why I find it so hilarious when people in Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris break down!?!?
There's something so satisfying in it.
Wrothy, I've never cared for mithering about other people's money and what they have and I haven't...so can you explain to me why I find it so hilarious when people in Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris break down!?!?
There's something so satisfying in it.
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:41am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
Sorry James, I posted that as you were replying. I'm not sure I understand your figures here. So are you saying Davies could take more money from the club when we go down rather than if we stay up? Sorry mate, we have a turnover of £50m+ in the Premier League - if we dropped down we would lose a huge chunk of that, plus other sponsorships, plus dimished ticket sales, etc. Am I missing something here? [/quote] No, you are not missing something.
Relegation would mean a massive cash windfall, which as club owner, Davies can do what he wants with.
Do you think it would be re-invested? NOT A CHANCE!!
Rumours have been going around for ages that Davies wants out. There were also comments made that Davies was not prepared to bank roll the club and take personal losses.
Relegation makes perfect sense - get out of the club now the dream is ended, dont take a personal loss, but make a bit as well.
It is crystal clear...dont you think??
breezeblock wrote:
Sorry James, I posted that as you were replying. I'm not sure I understand your figures here. So are you saying Davies could take more money from the club when we go down rather than if we stay up? Sorry mate, we have a turnover of £50m+ in the Premier League - if we dropped down we would lose a huge chunk of that, plus other sponsorships, plus dimished ticket sales, etc. Am I missing something here?
No, you are not missing something.
Relegation would mean a massive cash windfall, which as club owner, Davies can do what he wants with.
Do you think it would be re-invested? NOT A CHANCE!!
Rumours have been going around for ages that Davies wants out. There were also comments made that Davies was not prepared to bank roll the club and take personal losses.
Relegation makes perfect sense - get out of the club now the dream is ended, dont take a personal loss, but make a bit as well.
It is crystal clear...dont you think??
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
James, but if Davies was going to asset-strip he is surely better to do it now. No? You are right we get two parachute payments if we drop down but we also get two massive payments if we stay up so I can't see your logic here.
Plus your comments about the Caymen islands is a bit silly - you can't just take cash out of a club anymore. It has to be accounted for. Plus, if Davies strips the club he can only take back what is his in relation to his loans to the club...the bank et al are still owed the rest.
James, but if Davies was going to asset-strip he is surely better to do it now. No? You are right we get two parachute payments if we drop down but we also get two massive payments if we stay up so I can't see your logic here.
Plus your comments about the Caymen islands is a bit silly - you can't just take cash out of a club anymore. It has to be accounted for. Plus, if Davies strips the club he can only take back what is his in relation to his loans to the club...the bank et al are still owed the rest.
Posted by: James, Westhoughton on 11:46am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
James, but if Davies was going to asset-strip he is surely better to do it now. No? You are right we get two parachute payments if we drop down but we also get two massive payments if we stay up so I can't see your logic here. Plus your comments about the Caymen islands is a bit silly - you can't just take cash out of a club anymore. It has to be accounted for. Plus, if Davies strips the club he can only take back what is his in relation to his loans to the club...the bank et al are still owed the rest. [/quote] Yes, a good point which I overlooked. Either way, I still believe they will asset strip the club to the detrement of us all.
Go down - they can line their pockets
Stay up - they can line their pockets
Perhaps my comment about the Cayman Islands is a bit silly, but due to lack of transparency from the club, people will always (myself included) think the worst. In all fairness, I think that we all believe the club is run in a fairly abysmal, secretive manner. What are they hiding from us?
breezeblock wrote:
James, but if Davies was going to asset-strip he is surely better to do it now. No? You are right we get two parachute payments if we drop down but we also get two massive payments if we stay up so I can't see your logic here. Plus your comments about the Caymen islands is a bit silly - you can't just take cash out of a club anymore. It has to be accounted for. Plus, if Davies strips the club he can only take back what is his in relation to his loans to the club...the bank et al are still owed the rest.
Yes, a good point which I overlooked. Either way, I still believe they will asset strip the club to the detrement of us all.
Go down - they can line their pockets
Stay up - they can line their pockets
Perhaps my comment about the Cayman Islands is a bit silly, but due to lack of transparency from the club, people will always (myself included) think the worst. In all fairness, I think that we all believe the club is run in a fairly abysmal, secretive manner. What are they hiding from us?
Posted by: apple on 11:47am Wed 26 Mar 08
How many people will invest in a season ticket with megson in charge next year. How can being bored to death constitute entertainment let alone value for money. If Megson is in charge next year and the club said that every match was free i doubt wheather we would get a full house unless bolton has an influx window lickers.
How many people will invest in a season ticket with megson in charge next year. How can being bored to death constitute entertainment let alone value for money. If Megson is in charge next year and the club said that every match was free i doubt wheather we would get a full house unless bolton has an influx window lickers.
Posted by: ad_bwfc, Essex on 11:47am Wed 26 Mar 08
i actually dont believe what i have just read in that article, is this really our manager?
off to hong kong in a bit, any wanderers fans out there fancy watching the game out on saturday????
if not take care all and come on u white men
i actually dont believe what i have just read in that article, is this really our manager?
off to hong kong in a bit, any wanderers fans out there fancy watching the game out on saturday????
if not take care all and come on u white men
Posted by: davie, leigh on 11:51am Wed 26 Mar 08
I have not had the desire to vent my anger on here until today.
Every team in the bottom eight look like they can score goals.
Even Birmingham look like they can score goals.
Newcastle could have had a pan full on Saturday and as bad as they have been,they have Owen,Martins,and Viduka up front.
Fulham, against Everton looked dangerous going forward.
We have six games after Saturday.
4 away from home,and Megson still refuses to go for broke.
The entertainment value this season as been zero.
At one time, match days were something to look forward to all week.
But for me that feeling as gone.
4-5-1 at home is an insult to all the paying customers.
Megson for me is clueless.
All he does is scream negative instructions from the touch line.
We will finish next to the bottom.
I now have changed my opinion and I feel so sorry for all the fans who have followed Wanderers round Europe this season only to be cheated and badly let down by BWFC.
The last two seasons have been one big yawn.
I have not had the desire to vent my anger on here until today.
Every team in the bottom eight look like they can score goals.
Even Birmingham look like they can score goals.
Newcastle could have had a pan full on Saturday and as bad as they have been,they have Owen,Martins,and Viduka up front.
Fulham, against Everton looked dangerous going forward.
We have six games after Saturday.
4 away from home,and Megson still refuses to go for broke.
The entertainment value this season as been zero.
At one time, match days were something to look forward to all week.
But for me that feeling as gone.
4-5-1 at home is an insult to all the paying customers.
Megson for me is clueless.
All he does is scream negative instructions from the touch line.
We will finish next to the bottom.
I now have changed my opinion and I feel so sorry for all the fans who have followed Wanderers round Europe this season only to be cheated and badly let down by BWFC.
The last two seasons have been one big yawn.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:57am Wed 26 Mar 08
James, think what you will of Gartside - heaven knows he hasn't helped his cause much with some of his comments - but I think you're being a bit unfair on Eddie Davies. Look at it this way:
Eddie Davies has spent his life working hard to help build up a successful business. He hasn't craved the spotlight nor has be lived a particularly superstar lifestyle. When he sold his stake in the firm he made enough money to finally dabble in certain things. The first thing he did was to buy a private jet with the call sign BWFC. I hate to say it but that's what a lot of Bolton fans would do if we had the cash and the opportunity. The next thing was to loan the club some money because of an impending winding-up petition from one of the lenders. Again, that's what you and I would possibly do in the same circumstances. The next thing he did was to bail out the club because of yet another loan issues. OK, he got the whole club for a knockdown price but then no-one was ever going to pay big cash for BWFC where they. And again, that's pretty much what you and I would do...as well as driving a big Bentley with a BWFC registration!
Let's take a look at the evidence, who lives in a house like this...sorry, forget that, went off track.
The evidence suggests Davies is one of us, a normal guy who got lucky in business and now lives his life through BWFC. And he still has plenty of cash in the bank - although, as he admits, not enough to bankroll a club which is why Gartside has said Davies would be happy to sell to someone with more money.
Does all that sound like a man who would effectively close down his beloved football club for a few million?
I can't see it myself.
Look at Davies as a temporary owner, and interim owner who is holding the reigns until a richer man comes along.
James, think what you will of Gartside - heaven knows he hasn't helped his cause much with some of his comments - but I think you're being a bit unfair on Eddie Davies. Look at it this way:
Eddie Davies has spent his life working hard to help build up a successful business. He hasn't craved the spotlight nor has be lived a particularly superstar lifestyle. When he sold his stake in the firm he made enough money to finally dabble in certain things. The first thing he did was to buy a private jet with the call sign BWFC. I hate to say it but that's what a lot of Bolton fans would do if we had the cash and the opportunity. The next thing was to loan the club some money because of an impending winding-up petition from one of the lenders. Again, that's what you and I would possibly do in the same circumstances. The next thing he did was to bail out the club because of yet another loan issues. OK, he got the whole club for a knockdown price but then no-one was ever going to pay big cash for BWFC where they. And again, that's pretty much what you and I would do...as well as driving a big Bentley with a BWFC registration!
Let's take a look at the evidence, who lives in a house like this...sorry, forget that, went off track.
The evidence suggests Davies is one of us, a normal guy who got lucky in business and now lives his life through BWFC. And he still has plenty of cash in the bank - although, as he admits, not enough to bankroll a club which is why Gartside has said Davies would be happy to sell to someone with more money.
Does all that sound like a man who would effectively close down his beloved football club for a few million?
I can't see it myself.
Look at Davies as a temporary owner, and interim owner who is holding the reigns until a richer man comes along.
Posted by: Bolton Billy, Daubhill on 11:58am Wed 26 Mar 08
I think Julie Moores talks a lot of sense. Does it really matter how she refers to Megson.Whilst I think the manager was yet another cheap option the real culprits will always be Gartslime (oops sorry) and our benefactor. I also think that our relegation has been planned. If it hasn`t they have done a fantastic job of trying get out of the Premiership. We have always been the premiership paupers and really don`t belong at this level after years of under investment in the squad. Allardyce for years has had to beg,steal and borrow to keep us in this league and finally time has run out. Gartslime and Davis realise that they couldn`t carry on achieving the impossible without investing heavily and that would never happen. Allardyce also realised this which is why he went.Even in the January transfer window, given the seriousness of our situation we still didn`t spend all the Anelka money and put £3 million back into our benefactors pocket. Next season we will have a Championship club with a Championship quality manager and squad.
I think Julie Moores talks a lot of sense. Does it really matter how she refers to Megson.Whilst I think the manager was yet another cheap option the real culprits will always be Gartslime (oops sorry) and our benefactor. I also think that our relegation has been planned. If it hasn`t they have done a fantastic job of trying get out of the Premiership. We have always been the premiership paupers and really don`t belong at this level after years of under investment in the squad. Allardyce for years has had to beg,steal and borrow to keep us in this league and finally time has run out. Gartslime and Davis realise that they couldn`t carry on achieving the impossible without investing heavily and that would never happen. Allardyce also realised this which is why he went.Even in the January transfer window, given the seriousness of our situation we still didn`t spend all the Anelka money and put £3 million back into our benefactors pocket. Next season we will have a Championship club with a Championship quality manager and squad.
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 11:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
Wrothy, I've never cared for mithering about other people's money and what they have and I haven't...so can you explain to me why I find it so hilarious when people in Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris break down!?!? There's something so satisfying in it. [/quote] breezeblock i cant explain why you find it hilarious???????
but i thought it was quite amusing driving past in mi owd clapped out mondeo with exhaust hanging off and blowing like a gud un,with a pampered premier league player was standing there p1ssed wet through and freezing,i did the decent thing and offered him a lift but he turnrd his nose up to the offer so i went on my merry way with a little giggle,does that explain it?????
breezeblock wrote:
Wrothy, I've never cared for mithering about other people's money and what they have and I haven't...so can you explain to me why I find it so hilarious when people in Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris break down!?!? There's something so satisfying in it.
breezeblock i cant explain why you find it hilarious???????
but i thought it was quite amusing driving past in mi owd clapped out mondeo with exhaust hanging off and blowing like a gud un,with a pampered premier league player was standing there p1ssed wet through and freezing,i did the decent thing and offered him a lift but he turnrd his nose up to the offer so i went on my merry way with a little giggle,does that explain it?????
Posted by: borntobeawanderer, bolton on 11:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
Well thanks to all you light hearted fans for restoring my faith in the belief that 90% of bolton fans are fickle and naive....when west brom and pompey defied the odds to stay up, they had the backing of ALL their fans, and didn't have poor support like we have.....keep megson in, if we would have had him for the whole of this season, we would be looking down rather than up, if we still had Little Sam we would already be down! KEEP THE FAITH, BOLTON TIL I DIE
Well thanks to all you light hearted fans for restoring my faith in the belief that 90% of bolton fans are fickle and naive....when west brom and pompey defied the odds to stay up, they had the backing of ALL their fans, and didn't have poor support like we have.....keep megson in, if we would have had him for the whole of this season, we would be looking down rather than up, if we still had Little Sam we would already be down! KEEP THE FAITH, BOLTON TIL I DIE
Posted by: Toby, Deane on 12:03pm Wed 26 Mar 08
At least the captain of the Titanic had an excuse – he didn’t see the iceberg coming. Megson is just going full steam ahead towards relegation. He reminds me of the mother who sees her soldier son marching past in a parade – “Oh, look. They’re all out of step except our Gary!” The football club that I love and have supported for over 40 years is being sacrificed on the twin altars of Megson’s incompetence and Gartside’s pride. Gartside won’t sack Megson because that would be admitting that he’s made the three most disastrous mistakes in the history of BWFC within 12 months. It's so incomprehensible that I'm starting to believe these conspiracy theories that relegation is a deliberate policy. What other reason is there?
At least the captain of the Titanic had an excuse – he didn’t see the iceberg coming. Megson is just going full steam ahead towards relegation. He reminds me of the mother who sees her soldier son marching past in a parade – “Oh, look. They’re all out of step except our Gary!” The football club that I love and have supported for over 40 years is being sacrificed on the twin altars of Megson’s incompetence and Gartside’s pride. Gartside won’t sack Megson because that would be admitting that he’s made the three most disastrous mistakes in the history of BWFC within 12 months. It's so incomprehensible that I'm starting to believe these conspiracy theories that relegation is a deliberate policy. What other reason is there?
Posted by: Brak, Bolton on 12:10pm Wed 26 Mar 08
breezeblock and James - do we know how much debt Bolton are still in? I was under the impression it had been cut considerably and wasn't near the £30m mark anymore.
breezeblock and James - do we know how much debt Bolton are still in? I was under the impression it had been cut considerably and wasn't near the £30m mark anymore.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 12:15pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Breezeblock- Are you Eric in disguise? You both write in the same smug, self satisfied manner. Trying to look down your nose at the rest of us.
You must be a teacher. If you ask a question, then get a serious reply, dont act like such a pompous pr1ck. Thanks.
Breezeblock- Are you Eric in disguise? You both write in the same smug, self satisfied manner. Trying to look down your nose at the rest of us.
You must be a teacher. If you ask a question, then get a serious reply, dont act like such a pompous pr1ck. Thanks.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 12:22pm Wed 26 Mar 08
look out breezeblock, you've set dragon lady off. you're in for it now.
look out breezeblock, you've set dragon lady off. you're in for it now.
Posted by: Camposcomb, westhoughton on 12:26pm Wed 26 Mar 08
What have we done to deserve this sad excuse for a football manager? They might as well relegate us now and put us out of our misery.
What have we done to deserve this sad excuse for a football manager? They might as well relegate us now and put us out of our misery.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 12:30pm Wed 26 Mar 08
shaddupp gazz. Notice you replied, same as me, and didnt get the same pompous reply. Looks like ya got yerself a nice sexist buddy to join your club.
shaddupp gazz. Notice you replied, same as me, and didnt get the same pompous reply. Looks like ya got yerself a nice sexist buddy to join your club.
Posted by: Steve Battersby, Oldham on 12:35pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Hi all. Breezeblock, your well argued defence of Eddie Davies was excellent and 100% accurate. He is probably the sole reason why relegation will not mean administration becomes a possibility as I believe he loves this club too much to allow that to occur. By the way Brak, my understanding is that the debts stand at c £43 million so we are hardly in the strongest of positions to attract new investors. My pleas is be careful what you wish for, as to disenchant Eddie Davies would I fear only result in worsening our financial situation, pending any new owners coming over the horizon.
Also, whilst I sit firmly in the 'Megson must go' camp - irrespective of which League we are in next season - I don't doubt he is trying his hardest. It's just that his best is not good enough for BWFC as a Premier League club. A lot of the burden of criticism is falling on Mr Gartside and certainly his decisions re Lee, Megson and Anelka look to be poor ones from where I am sitting.
Hi all. Breezeblock, your well argued defence of Eddie Davies was excellent and 100% accurate. He is probably the sole reason why relegation will not mean administration becomes a possibility as I believe he loves this club too much to allow that to occur. By the way Brak, my understanding is that the debts stand at c £43 million so we are hardly in the strongest of positions to attract new investors. My pleas is be careful what you wish for, as to disenchant Eddie Davies would I fear only result in worsening our financial situation, pending any new owners coming over the horizon.
Also, whilst I sit firmly in the 'Megson must go' camp - irrespective of which League we are in next season - I don't doubt he is trying his hardest. It's just that his best is not good enough for BWFC as a Premier League club. A lot of the burden of criticism is falling on Mr Gartside and certainly his decisions re Lee, Megson and Anelka look to be poor ones from where I am sitting.
Posted by: smithy, st helens on 12:41pm Wed 26 Mar 08
THERE'S MORE CHANCE OF THE POPE GETTING MARRIED THAN BOLTON STAYING IN THE PREMIERSHIP UNDER MEGSON AND GARTSIDE.
THERE'S MORE CHANCE OF THE POPE GETTING MARRIED THAN BOLTON STAYING IN THE PREMIERSHIP UNDER MEGSON AND GARTSIDE.
Posted by: smithy, st helens on 12:41pm Wed 26 Mar 08
WE THINK IT,S ALL OVER, IT WILL BE THIS WEEKEND
WE THINK IT,S ALL OVER, IT WILL BE THIS WEEKEND
Posted by: apple on 12:45pm Wed 26 Mar 08
borntobeawonderer, how can you state that we would be looking down if megson had been in charge for the whole of the season. He has had 21 games or 63 points to play for since his appointment. Is it not about time to stand and be counted and stop saying its all sammy lees fault surely the fault lies with his appointment and his inability to produce on the field when it matters. All this season we have not managed a back to back win saying that we have only won 6 all season and that is down to negative tactics and players being under cooked for matches. I and everyone have the right to voice their opinion without being called fickle as i was not fickle in Munich, Madrid, Lisbon or at many away matches this season let alone the dross witnessed at home me thinks it has come to a point that the majority have had enough of turning up week in week out to watch paint dry instead of an entertaining football game. Our team we have followed for years is being let down by a dross manager. We have the players to turn things round if the shackles were taken off and we did not defend so deep. Instead of fickle you should use the word blind faith which you appear to have in a footballing numpty who should still be on the scrapheap with the clubs he has left in his wake.
borntobeawonderer, how can you state that we would be looking down if megson had been in charge for the whole of the season. He has had 21 games or 63 points to play for since his appointment. Is it not about time to stand and be counted and stop saying its all sammy lees fault surely the fault lies with his appointment and his inability to produce on the field when it matters. All this season we have not managed a back to back win saying that we have only won 6 all season and that is down to negative tactics and players being under cooked for matches. I and everyone have the right to voice their opinion without being called fickle as i was not fickle in Munich, Madrid, Lisbon or at many away matches this season let alone the dross witnessed at home me thinks it has come to a point that the majority have had enough of turning up week in week out to watch paint dry instead of an entertaining football game. Our team we have followed for years is being let down by a dross manager. We have the players to turn things round if the shackles were taken off and we did not defend so deep. Instead of fickle you should use the word blind faith which you appear to have in a footballing numpty who should still be on the scrapheap with the clubs he has left in his wake.
Posted by: W78, Bolton on 12:56pm Wed 26 Mar 08
As this is my first ever post on here, please forgive me if i don't resort to playground name calling or a full analysis of the clubs financial standings. All i would like to say is relegation isn't that daunting a prospect for me, but if are going to go down (which is looking more and more likely), then why can't we go down kicking and screaming and putting up a **** good fight? We have six games left which personally i don't mind losing! as long as we look as though we are even trying. Sorry Mr Megson but putting 1 player up front with 4 out of 5 midfielders being defensive minded players behind him is not trying! In the position we are in we should be throwing everything at opposition teams INCLUDING your swings and roundabouts!
As this is my first ever post on here, please forgive me if i don't resort to playground name calling or a full analysis of the clubs financial standings. All i would like to say is relegation isn't that daunting a prospect for me, but if are going to go down (which is looking more and more likely), then why can't we go down kicking and screaming and putting up a **** good fight? We have six games left which personally i don't mind losing! as long as we look as though we are even trying. Sorry Mr Megson but putting 1 player up front with 4 out of 5 midfielders being defensive minded players behind him is not trying! In the position we are in we should be throwing everything at opposition teams INCLUDING your swings and roundabouts!
Posted by: Steve Battersby, Oldham on 1:07pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Hi again. On a completely different subject I went across to Widnes last night (how sad!) to witness our reserves win only their second game in 17 by beating Everton 3-2 in a thoroughly entertaining match.
The team was Lainton in goal; a back four of Sinclair, Carlisle, Fojut and Burns; a midfield of Thompson, Alonso, Wolze, Sissons and Woolfe; Braaten playing as the sole striker in a 4-5-1 formation, with Wolze and Thompson excellent in support.
The team's performance was excellent with football played on the ground, movement off the ball and a willingness to shoot on sight! The three goals scored took our goals for tally for the season to 10 - 5 of them coming in the last 2 games. Whilst we will finish bottom (strangely last season we finished top), at least there have been signs in the last 2 games (one won, one drawn) of a marked improvement in performance.
Though a big critic of his I must admit that Alonso ran the show from midfield - according to a Bolton official he has recently been injured. Les Thompson worked hard out wide right but of the youngsters Wolze, Carlisle and Sinclair took the eye.
After coasting into an early 2-0 lead through Braaten and Wolze's brilliant free kick we proceeded to get sloppy and conceded just before the interval. A poor referee then awarded Bolton a penalty on the stroke of half time but Sissons' tame shot was easily saved. The second half started with Everton well on top and the referee evened things up when awarding Everton a soft penalty from which they equalised. The Toffees then had a period of dominance but it was Bolton who continued to miss clear cut chances, with Thompson twice missing easy opportunities. However, justice was done when Wolze's deflected shot gave Bolton the points in the dying moments.
One point of note. Daniel Braaten scored a good goal, won a penalty and had an assist in our winning effort. He has pace and ability but his efforts for the entire game showed me a player who unless he gets a grip of himself will end his career and look back thinking ....if only! Talent is worthless without application and I'm sure he has played his last first team game in a Bolton shirt.
Hi again. On a completely different subject I went across to Widnes last night (how sad!) to witness our reserves win only their second game in 17 by beating Everton 3-2 in a thoroughly entertaining match.
The team was Lainton in goal; a back four of Sinclair, Carlisle, Fojut and Burns; a midfield of Thompson, Alonso, Wolze, Sissons and Woolfe; Braaten playing as the sole striker in a 4-5-1 formation, with Wolze and Thompson excellent in support.
The team's performance was excellent with football played on the ground, movement off the ball and a willingness to shoot on sight! The three goals scored took our goals for tally for the season to 10 - 5 of them coming in the last 2 games. Whilst we will finish bottom (strangely last season we finished top), at least there have been signs in the last 2 games (one won, one drawn) of a marked improvement in performance.
Though a big critic of his I must admit that Alonso ran the show from midfield - according to a Bolton official he has recently been injured. Les Thompson worked hard out wide right but of the youngsters Wolze, Carlisle and Sinclair took the eye.
After coasting into an early 2-0 lead through Braaten and Wolze's brilliant free kick we proceeded to get sloppy and conceded just before the interval. A poor referee then awarded Bolton a penalty on the stroke of half time but Sissons' tame shot was easily saved. The second half started with Everton well on top and the referee evened things up when awarding Everton a soft penalty from which they equalised. The Toffees then had a period of dominance but it was Bolton who continued to miss clear cut chances, with Thompson twice missing easy opportunities. However, justice was done when Wolze's deflected shot gave Bolton the points in the dying moments.
One point of note. Daniel Braaten scored a good goal, won a penalty and had an assist in our winning effort. He has pace and ability but his efforts for the entire game showed me a player who unless he gets a grip of himself will end his career and look back thinking ....if only! Talent is worthless without application and I'm sure he has played his last first team gam
